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posted in December 2000
for the sake of clarity.
Alert! Do not read this if you have not finished Foreigner.
On the cover the Atevi have no pupils,
but CK seems to think they have, I would say the have none, so this leads
to the interesting question what do Atevi see.
*Standing in the shadows, thinking.
Eyes shimmering gold in the reflected light*
That is a good question nadi. As
far as I can remember nothing has ever been said. But there have been hints
that the Atevi have the capability to see in near total darkness, as per
Foriegner. It was when the power was lost at Malguri.
Hmmmm.... Could that mean they see
colors beyound the Human capability? If so then what additional colors
might be in the black of the Guild members.
Definately food for thought nadi!
Good notion, I hadn´t thought
Humans have to cast there eyes to
the side to see what happens there sharply, what´s about atevi.
Uh, I never really thought about
it, actually. I just drew jago with pupils 'cause I figured, 'how else
is light gonna hit her retinas?'....Of course, I'm just assuming that atevi
*bows to nand' CK-ji*
A very good Picture nadi. Though
one I would enjoy seeing someone draw is the bath scene from Precursor.
(Jago sitting behind Bren, both thier reflections in the wall beside them
and steam raising above the water) Something tastefully done though.
*admits to not being able to Draw
what so ever*
Yes the bath scene is a good idea.
(*meanigful lokks at the cat with Photoshop*)
I think Atevi have retinas, maybe
there is just a reflecting layer covering the whole front of the eyes or
maybe the gold layer is the retina and the cornea is invisible (just like
the red eyes in photos)
Nand Chajo´, you had he interesting
notion that Atevi se at another range and mentioned the clothes, have you
thought about their skin and what patterns it may have.
That is a very good question Nand'
Sabina. It is possible that as humans have various shades of hair and skin,
so do the Atevi. It's just that humans cannot see the diffrence due to
the diffrence in eyesight.
Hmm. Perhaps atevi can't see some
human differences either. But Ilisidi is fascinated by Bren's hair.
* passing through between planets*
We are assuming here that Atevi use
the optical spectrum.
The pupilless eyes suggest that some
other wavelength detection may be in use. What if the Atevi eye is more
like a radiation detector? This would allow IR detection and possibly "seeing"
UV emissions like flower petals and butterfly wings.
*bows and departs *
I doubt that atevi use something
that far off from the human optical spectrum. There is a very good reason
that humans use the spectrum we do, and that has to do with the frequencies
that Earth-at-ground-level receives from the sun. As the atevi planet is
so congenial to human life, I'd imagine that the spectra would be very
similar, as the atmospheric and environmental conditions are similar. As
further evidence, the atevi artworks, though different from human ones
and often very strange, are not aesthetically displeasing to humans, although
they are not always conducive to a good human mood, leading me to think
that atevi colour perception is similar to human colour perception, but
there are differences in the psychological significance of the colours.
Contrast this to the kif, who do
not see the same spectrum as all the other races, and were sold ridiculous
clashing colours by the mahendo'sat as a practical joke.
Hee hee! Those crazy mahendo'sat!
All this talk of whether or not atevi
see on a human-like spectrum is interesting, no doubt. But I still think
they do have pupils, dammit! LOL. And I'm gonna keep drawing them that
way, don't try to stop me....
contains minor spoilers for Precursor.
It may be incrediably obvious nadiin-ji,
but I would say that the Atevi eye sees in almost an identical spectrum
spread to humans because they have television and Bren seems to have
no trouble viewing it. There may be a faint slop over up and down the spectrum,
but I doubt it as it's never drawn to our attention in any of the books,
after all if they could see into the infrared the Guild could track lingering
body heat and the like. In other words not likely...hehe
They may have an excess of rods or
cones or similar eye structures in the retina which are magnitudes more
sensitive to photons than the comparable cells in human eyes which could
account for the night vision. As Bren says to the ship crew in the bar
in Precursor, they can see in darkness as a human would in twilight (he
then mentally corrects himself thinking that ship humans have no conception
of what twilight is).
As for the whole pupil issue, I would
say yes, they have pupils otherwise CJ would have made more a point of
it in the books eg. bren not being able to notice where a particular ateva
was looking. After all, the books make constant reference to eyes flicking
to the side or down as signals to the servants...it's a bit hard to see
where the eye is looking if it has no pupil and is all one colour
I usually don't base my arguments
on "well it hasn't shown up in the books therefore it doesn't exist" but
I thought these particular examples were relevant. :)
Greetings Tamajini and welcome to
I would in general agree with your
thinking but I still personally feel that the Atevi spectrum may be broader
than the human rather like the retina of cats which are intensely green
or yellow due to the high reflection and run down into the infrared.
Hey, warm welcome to Shejidan, Tamajini!
Yes! Pupils for all atevi. Besides,
how are eyes supposed to glow without pupils? It's just the light reflecting
off your retinas.
If anyone disagrees with me, dammit,
I'll start a war! (Just kidding. I'll probably just sit and cry.)
*Ansikalden dares not disagree with
CKTC, in fright of tears.*
If pupils are agreed upon, do they
contract like human eyes or into vertical slits like cat eyes?
Hmm I wish everyone would get over
the whole cat issue hehe. <insert good natured jibe here> Just
because atevi eyes are lambent at night like a cats doesn't mean they have
slitty pupils and whatnot...they're aliens they're like nothing we've
ever seen before
I said I wasn't going to do it but
I am...I'm sure if they're pupils were slitty when they contracted CJ would
have made note of it in the books as yet another "difference" between the
humans and the atevi
Sorry to run around and prick yet
another bubble gang hehe. ;)
(But I just have to mention this:
Atevi eyes could have horizontal slits, too. >:D
That does it! Atevi have pupils.
And they're shaped like little baji-naji symbols! Everyone happy? The matter's
settled then.... LOL.
Disputatious to the last...
OK, but do they blink vertically
Atevi have no pupils.
Remember, I´m the one telling
you the don´t have pupils. Pupils are not necessary. But to answer
this question I´ve emailed Miss Cherryh andasked her, she says Atevi
do have pupils.
I think Atevi blink horizontally,
blinking isn´t linked with the shape of the pupils.
Sweet! From the Goddess herself,
huh? They do have them then.
I have to agree with Tamajini. I
think that their pupils would constrict as circles, not slits. I think
Ms. Cherryh would have mentioned slits if they were like that.
Mwahahaha! ;) Vindicated
at last hehe.
I've often noticed the similarities
of the Atevi to, of course, cats. I't seems to me that they would also
see movement in a highly enhanced way. take for instance, all the times
Bren has been torpedoed to the floor because of the slightest movement
and his guard is always on the money. Love those guys!